Life Without a Social Security Number
Last Modified on
December 29, 2000
Note: This
page is now the summary of what it's like to move to a new state
without a social security number, as well as obtaining a passport.
I've met with success everywhere except in obtaining a the driver
license. For a summary of those events, see the
Traveling without a Number page.
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June 18, 1998
Signing a Home Lease |
I am moving from Maryland to Pennsylvania. After shopping around, I
found a house that I liked. When I told the appropriate rental agent I
wanted it, she was very happy and began to ask me my vital statistics.
Among the first questions she asked was "What's your social security number?"
"Is that something you really have to have?" I then explained that I
didn't want to give her a number, but that I would happily give her references,
proof of my credit rating, and a copy of my birth certificate, but that
I really don't want to give her a number.
Perhaps because I was so sincere, she relented and eventually felt confident
that I was an honest guy saying she usually has a good sense about people
and that she felt good about me. The lease was later signed on June 25,
1998.
I could have told her (and others) that I had no SSN, and explained
the affidavit of Revocation for the application for the number, but I'm
not yet confident in my ability to adequately give such information in
a manner that will preserve credibility. Unless it's done right, most people
will either think I'm nuts or won't understand the legalities. Until I'm
more comfortable that I can delve in to that area with the appropriate
wherewithal, I'm going to go easy on myself. |
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June 23, 1998
Utility Service |
I called all the utilities to get them turned on and put in my name.
Ironically, the city water was the easiest. I told them the address. All
they wanted was my name and the date I was moving. It doesn't get any simpler
than that.
Telephone service. I called GTE to have service turned on. "What's
your social security number?"
"Is that something you absolutely have to have?" It wasn't. She went
away and came back a moment later and read their policy that they would
not deny service to people who didn't give an SSN. However, I would need
to pay a visit to one of their service centers to show positive ID. Not
a problem. I can do that, and I did. My Maryland driver's license was sufficient.
Gas. I called Columbia Gas. "What's your social security number?"
"Is that something you absolutely have to have?" It wasn't. I was told
that I wouldn't have to give an SSN, but that if I didn't I would have
to show up at one of their offices and show positive ID. Not a problem.
Electricity: I called GPU Electric. "What's your social security number?"
"Is that something you absolutely have to have?"
"Yes it is. If you don't give us a social security number then we can't
put service in your name."
"Well," I replied, "I don't have a social security number".
After the initial surprise that you could pretty much guess, she went
away and someone else came to the phone. This woman told me that "Everybody"
has a social security number. Newborns automatically get them when they're
born. She then proceeded to quiz me on whether I was ever claimed as a
dependent on a tax return (That's only been done for the past 6 years anyway,
and I've not been a dependent for a fair amount longer than that). She
asked if I had any problems filing a tax return without a number, and I
said it was no problem. Not truthful, but I felt she was way out of bounds
with that question, and I was calling to get electrical service, not to
explain tax liabilities.
Then I took the offensive and explained that the law provided that only
those people that apply for numbers get them, along with aliens coming
into the country. "Can you read it to me?" I sensed a bit of sarcasm in
her voice.
"Sure". And I did. Eventually, she said that I would have to visit one
of their offices and provide proof of ID, in the form of a driver's license,
birth certificate, and a W-2.
"A W-2?". I couldn't believe it. I already told her I worked for myself
and told her I've never heard of a W-2 being used as identification. "I'll
see what I can do".
I figured later she wanted a W-2 so they could copy my "old" SSN off
it. That made sense. As it turned out, I was unable to locate a W-2 prior
to visiting their office (Darn it if I even had time to look for one).
But I did have time to look for my driver's license and birth certificate.
I had a friend come as a witness for me. I brought all kinds of documentation,
42 USC 405, Privacy Act, a rather damning
affidavit that I was ready to hand in, a copy of the court case that went
against a water company that demanded SSNs, and maybe a couple other things.
I was proverbially "armed to the teeth"....
...but it was all for naught. They rolled over like an obedient dog.
When I showed up the service rep looked at her computer and asked if I
was the one that "doesn't want to show a social security card". I said
"yes" and presented my driver's license and birth certificate, both of
which they made photo copies. I was very displeased that they photocopied
my birth certificate. Driver's licenses come and go, but a birth certificate
never expires. The other 2 utilities didn't photo copy anything in the
course of verifying ID.
But that was it. They didn't even ask for a W-2. We left, and I almost
felt disappointment, like going to a baseball game only to have the opposing
team forfeit.
A few days later I found a letter from GPU Electric which was mailed
prior to my visit with them. It stipulated that they needed either
a photo ID OR 2 "alternate" IDs. "Alternate" Id's could be,
among other things, a birth certificate or a W-2. Therefore, their company
policy didn't even call for a birth certificate. The driver's license alone
would have sufficed.
"This cannot go unpunished!" I thought. I sat down and composed a (strongly
worded) letter to GPU Electric, complaining about
both the customer service rep that gave me a hard time, and the fact that they
took both the birth certificate and driver's license against their own apparent
company policy requirements. If I ever get a response, I'll post it. Until then,
GPU Electric gets a definite thumbs DOWN from me. I think they are a very
bad company to deal with, and as soon as I get the chance to leave them for
another electric company, I will, and I encourage everyone else to do the same.
Lousy customer service & lousy utility company.
Addendum: After 2 months, I have recieved no response from them at all.
Utility deregulation is in full force here in Pennsylvania, which makes the
matter rather moot. While they clearly failed to handle my case properly,
the legal standing against them is not as strong (because of deregulation and
the fact that they ultimately did not deny me business/service) as it is
against the Drivers license bureau. (See below). |
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August 28, 1998
Voter Registration |
I mailed off my voter registration today. The form didn't even
have a space for an SSN, so I anticipate no problems. My
compatriot in Virginia
reports that Virginia does use SSN's for voter registration and had problems there
(in part because Virginia was grandfathered in under the Privacy Act), but Pennsylvania
does not even ask for them.
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September 17, 1998
Voter Registration |
I recieved my voter registration card today. No problem at all.
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August 3, 2000
Passport |
Passports are federal government ID. While the feds would ideally
not be in the business of issuing ID for citizens, at least passports
fall within a legitimate treaty jurisdiction, and is clearly supported
by the United States Constitution. We are free to leave the USA without
any passport, but without one other countries are within their rights to
prevent you entry. Passports are international travel documents
respected by nearly all countries through treaties, and if you want to
go somewhere, passports are the legitimate tool to have.
While Passport applications ask the applicant for an SSN, the instructions
clearly state that if you have no SSN, to enter all zeros. (the SSA
web site indicates the "first" SSN issued was something like 100-10-1000,
which would imply that a number of "000-00-0000" will NOT be
confused with an SSN, as it is not an SSN any more than the single
digit "5" is).
For me, the hard part is supplying satisfactory identification with the
application, as I have no driver license or any other government
photo ID. But the application provides that in that case, a witness
with satisfactory ID can sign an affidavit (an official form provided
by stating that s/he has known
me for at least 5 years. A friend of mine signed for me.
But that wasn't quite good enough.
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September 5, 2000
Passport |
Here was my response to the
initial letter, making full use of the Paperwork Reduction Act to refuse
their request, but otherwise being a bit easier to get along with than
I have been in past years.
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September 22, 2000
Passport |
I may have spooked them a little bit, since they responded
with a phone call. After a few called & phone tags, they sent
me a fax that they
believed sufficiently documented their justification for the
additional information request. After researching the information
they sent, their request for more identifying documentation seemed
quite substantiated, but the S-su(10-96) information request form
remained as bogus as before.
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October 2, 2000
Passport |
After playing phone tag and finally discussing the issue (the
initial conversation was recorded in full with permission),
I sent various forms of
additional ID, but still refused to complete the bogus
information collection forms I was sent.
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October 20, 2000
Passport |
Success! I received the passport along with all documentation
I sent them.
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December 29, 2000
Fingerprints |
Some banks now require fingerprints for non-account
holders that cash checks. While I don't have an
SSN, I do have fingerprints. So when a bank insisted
I give them, here's what I did.
How the company that tried to pay me will react is
not yet known.
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Here are my experiences without a driver license.
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